Class sizes are being cut from what I hear my class had 16 students when we graduated. AWFs have been getting a lot of jobs civilian side with maintaining trainers for the navy out of Jacksonville and I'm sure there's some standard maintenance stuff they can get involved in but idk about what particular jobs you can get with Boeing as a AWF. AWF COMMUNITY AWR COMMUNITY AWO COMMUNITY AWV COMMUNITY AWS COMMUNITY AWF (FTS) COMMUNITY AWF Career Path AWF (FTS) Career Path AWR Career Path AWO Career Path AWV Career Path AWS Career Path General Description. Navy jobs utilize various kinds of tools like equipment, motors and machinery. As long as you manage to maintain a shuffle that looks remotely like jogging, even if it's actually slower than a walk, you'll pass. 3. Boards suck. It's for that reason that AIRC and AIRR contracts are 6 year terms, not 4. Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) 3. The other AWs on this sub can likely attest to this too. IFT production will be discontinued by the end of FY17, so it is damn near impossible anyone who has yet to sign a contract will get AWV. It's not that hard honestly. For AWOs, about half is classroom learning, a quarter in simulators, and a quarter in the actual aircraft. Also don't loose contact, not sure what it is; I've read about it in a book once and it sounds pretty bad. Working on your degree is by far easier in a VP squadron than on a boat. It's all secret, so you don't even have to worry about homework or studying at home! Department of the Navy Directives Issuance System. #3 sounds exactly like my current rate, so I'm definitely used to all that. If you're an AWO, it's after this school you'll get your orders for P-3 AAW, P-3 NAAW, P-8 AAW, or P-8 EWO. I absolutely LOVE flying. They work with some very important people. I have been planning to get out of the Navy since my re-enlistment, but I'm not so sure I'm willing to give up my retirement. Can you comment on the being fired upon or PM me? Can't really speak on them only that is sounds dope. Twin brother is an AWV. Almost all of this information is coming from the Navy COOL website Half of our deployments consist of staying in a sand-filled shithole of an non-airconditioned tent with 49 other mother fuckers who don't feel the need to shower because "I'll just be gross within an hour anyways, why bother?". If getting your degree is a priority and you want out after 6, AIRC is an awful decision. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The largest class now is 9 students. Though none of our material is classified. Dry aircrew only: You won't ever ever be on a boat. Yes, you have to do a 1-mil swim in flight gear (flight suit, boots, helmet) and a 10-mile run (in PT gear). Comments(6) 35680 Views In the Navy, they call their enlisted jobs ratings. NAVY PERSONNEL COMMAND: 5720 Integrity Drive, Millington TN 38055-0000 Address Correspondence to: Attn: PERS-### or BUPERS-### This is an official U.S. Navy Website Need Career, Pay or Personnel help? We're behind the double doors with the AWOs, Rs, and Ss everyday. Don't stop, don't walk, and find the finish line, and you pass. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/NickyMGTV Social Media Instagram: NickyMGTV Snapchat: Emseagray FE production will halt in October (I think? 3. You will sit in a room with people of all different walks of life and they will become your family. After all, we fly the same airframe as a commercial air liner. AWS: Idfk. AWO A-1 School NAS Pensacola, FL C-210-2010 RECOMMENDED SKILL TRAINING Course Title Course Location CIN/CSE ID Course Length Date Completed NMT NAS Pensacola, FL A-500-1000 PFM NAS Pensacola, FL A-950-0080 NAVY ENLISTED CLASSIFICATION CODE (NEC) OPPORTUNITIES Course Title Course Location CIN/CSE ID Course Length Date After it is signed its important to not answer that phone call from the duty office, it tends to be some schedule error where you are now taking that 0500 flight in the morning. Navy Recruiter Canvasser Recruits individuals into the U.S. Navy and Naval Reserve. Notes: AWO - Naval Aircrewmen - Operator Page 3 of 152 Pushing you physically is just the best way to test that mental toughness. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the newtothenavy community. First off, I'm not an AWO - I'm an AT, so my perspective is that of a maintainer, but I have obviously worked very closely with the aircrew in my squadron and believe that I at least have some insight into what life would be like as an AWO for p3s/p8s. You will live by the flight schedule and never truly know what you are doing the next day until the flight schedule is signed. Even though you could do 40 more push-ups, you might fail where the other dude passes. Sea duty may be Squadron (aircraft), CONUS/OCONUSbased (OCONUS: FDNF Squadrons / assignments are the most demanding and dynamic environment, and should be given strong consideration for successful tours), or I needed to be in your squadron I guess. Not only because we have the longest and arguably toughest schools (FEs probably have tougher schools), but also because the actual job onstation is tough as shit. NACCS is only 4 weeks long but you'll spend extra time on hold there. Getting shot at. This is actually the hardest part of the training and by far the most common place for people to fail out. To become an aircrewman, you'll need to sign an AIRC or AIRR contract. https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/navy-aircrewman-career-details Trust me. We operate on P-3s and P-8s. Just don't ever stop running. Damn this ended up being way longer than I anticipated. AWR: These guys are primarily rescue swimmers and their secondary job is to be ASW operators to hunt submarines. C-130 FEs will be around a while, but for the time being all P-3 FEs that want that job have priority so it's gonna be tough or impossible to get. Very little control on what path you go; needs of the navy. Department of the Navy, Navy Records Management Program. Electronic Warfare Operators (EWO) or Acoustic Operators. LaDR stands for Learning and Development Roadmap. Press J to jump to the feed. AT A School: (AWV) Google AT A school. I think I have some idea from talking to my AW buddies, but what is the frequency/length/locations of your deployments? The only rating in the navy that can guarantee you VP is AWO. AWV: AWVs are either in-flight electricians (IFT) on P-3s or EWOP operators on various platforms. Load masters are usually FTS (full time support, a reservist who works full time) or normal reservists who were prior active duty AWO/AWF/AWV. AWO - Electronic Systems Specialist Electronic Systems Specialists are members of a fixed wing integrated tactical crew aboard maritime patrol aircraft. Many of my peers are pursuing their degrees and most people who work at it consistently finish at about 6-7 years into their service. Monday you'll have a 0500-1900 workday for a mission, Tuesday you'll bounce (touch and gos, like a pilot training flight) in the evening because you can't do a morning event because you landed late the day before. They're not easy to get into, though. I didn't join the military to sit back and watch. EWOP is a super-specialized ESM-only operator. This school is 100% physical. If you cannot hack it, we'll drop you from the rate. Curious to get your opinion on how to be successful at NACCS. Very easy on family's because when you deploy you will always come home to a hotel or a base "that's land for you boat people". I'm about to finish the P-8a EWO pipeline in August. If another guy can only do 55 push-ups but I force him to do 75, and he keeps giving his all even after its impossible for him to do another, he makes it. After you graduate you'll get your AWF/AWV/AWO orders if you're on an AIRC contract. This leads to all the Skype calls or whatever the kids use these days to your hearts content. You need to be decently smart and in EXTREMELY good shape to be a swimmer. I've always been interested in the AW community and from talking to few AW buddies (mostly AWF and AWS) it seems like AWO on P-3's would be my best gig at this point, and the rate I could most easily translate to already coming from a radar environment my whole career. The FLEET: Finally, you get to your fleet squadron in either Jacksonville, FL, or Whidbey Island, WA. We fly on one of P-3s, P-8s, C-40s, C-130s, E-6s, H-60s, or H-53s. My master chief retired after 30 years in the Navy ad never once set foot on a ship. EWOs operate radar, long-range cameras, ESM, and MAD. The only rating in the navy that can guarantee you VP is AWO. The swim is similar. AWFs can also be Load masters or flight attendants on logistical aircraft, which is anything that starts with a C; C-40, C-130, etc. Upon the completion of that upgrading process you'll do several boards to earn your wings. I've done two P3 deployments, and AWOs seem to have the best gig in terms of the aircrew ratings. This is not to say that they didn't work hard, because they obviously do, but it's just something I've noticed in the several years I've spent with them. A school length depends on your rate. For duty stations there's a new opportunity being screened for the E6-B TACAMO FE spot. I think it's like 20 weeks long. You cannot receive the AW rating without being a volunteer to fly as Naval aircrew.The AW rating is divided into three categories: Aviation Warfare Systems Operator - Acoustic (AWA), Aviation Warfare Systems Operator - Non-Acoustic (AWN), and Aviation Warfare Systems Operator - Helicopter (AWR/AWS). Read each description and see what you may be interested in doing. Upon completion of initial training pipelines, Naval Aircrewman (Avionics) are typically closed-loop detailed by NEC/platform until there is no longer a need for that NEC or needs of the Navy support a You'll spend 12-18 months upgrading from level 100 to level 300, which is a fully qualified operator. We basically get AW2 for free but have averaged less than 0.5% advancement to AW1 over the last four cycles. Deployments are awesome. We actually have our own pipeline at the school house now. OPNAVINST 5100.19. Free time? But you're still a student, aka "upgrader" because you're trying to upgrade your qualification level. I a AWO, EWO is the non-acoustic side of AWO on the P-8's. Your chiefs will be like most chiefs, flaky at best and when one gets into your shit, you will have wished otherwise. Pay the fuck attention though, if you get to FRS and don't know A-school information, you instructors will not be happy. I am in DEP and am trying to change rates to AIRC... haven't heard anything yet and starting to question if I'll get it. The people who get dropped are the ones who study but don't know a method that works for them or wait until the night/morning before a test to study. That scares some people, but is very important to others. You'll likely be an E5 within three years of enlisting. If you're an AWS, you go to this school. Awesome write up. Dry crewmen are pretty much done with being tested physically after the graduation of NACCS (which we will cover later), but literally never stop learning. If you were to switch over to AWO, P-8s are the way because all the P-3 squadrons are leaving Jacksonville to soon transition to P-8's. I have like 23 credits and I've never even enrolled in college. IFTs are electricians that keep the avionics equipment working properly while in flight, and they're only on P-3s. Ridiculously hard FRS but nearly instant return on investment, the lowest enlisted rank on this platform is usually an e-5. I have no clue what they learn. AWFs are most valuable when they can perform nearly any reasonable maintenance on the plane especially when away from home. AWS, AWO, AWF, AWV which fall under the general rating AW. They are WAY easier than they sound, though. I'd recommend trying to get AWO over AWF because they are a dying rate. This is IMO the most mentally challenging job of the AIRC ratings. What is the day-to-day schedule like as an AWO at a command? Half of our deployments consist of staying in 4-5 star hotels. Retired Reserve Reservists are required by the Navy to perform drills a minimum of one weekend per month, as well as two weeks of more intense active duty training. Maybe even AWV if they still exist. AWOs, on the other hand, mostly just operate the various avionics systems. Aviation Warfare Systems Operators are Navy enlisted aircrew members. I ship in 4 days on an AIRC contract. I have all the admin side of things worked out pretty well, it's always a longshot as a first class but I think my chances are decent. 0$1$*($1$9<&$5((5:,7+1$9$'5 6hhwkh1dy\/d'5 /hduqlqjdqg'hyhorsphqw5rdgpds iruwklvudwlqj $:) kwwsv zzz frro qdy\ plo xvq /d'5 dzibh bh sgi You get intentionally drowned. Everything you will need to do and learn to go from E1-9 is included. AWOs, at least in my experience, always seemed to have the most free time on deployment. Fast advancement. AWVs work with the trons when they're not flying, and always have to come back in to write up gripes, turn in comsec drives, and pass down all relevent info to the trons before leaving. Did a quick search and didn't see any of these questions specifically answered. AWFs, for instance, are in short supply and are frequently on duty as the "duty FE", which involves being available for engine turns, etc for a 24 hr period. It's A LOT of info, which covers a bunch of other maintenance focused rates' curriculum in a shorter amount of time. AIRR is rescue swimmers (or just swimmers for short) and its associated ratings are AWR and sometimes AWS. If getting the job you want is priority, talk to your recruiter about it immediately (and maybe ask the recruiters on this sub for advice about how that process works). I don't mean you can swim fast in a pool (though that helps), I mean you would feel comfortable getting in a pool with a dude who outweighs you by 50lbs and whose entire intent is to drown your ass. The Naval Aircrewman rating (known as Aviation Warfare Systems Operator or AW prior to 2008) is an enlisted rating of the US Navy. Acoustic operators listen to and look at the info from sonobuoys to find and track submarines. Also the basics of Electronic Warfare. AWO CAREER PATH (NAVAL AIRCREWMAN OPERATOR) 1 Revised: December 2019 . It's timed, but I've never heard of the time being enforced. Feel free to PM me. It's suck it up and hope you don't get hit, or run away. It's 6 months long. What's the process of rate assignment at NACCS? I may have been able to pass this school when I was 20 and in good shape, no fucking way could I do it now. AWR/AWS should be similar, but I don't really know. There's lots of other cons, but not unique to the rate. As long as you finish without grabbing onto the wall for support, you pass. detailer contact list pers-401 – navy diver / seal / swcc / eod fax: 901-874-2716 rate email phone branch head firstname.lastname@example.org 901-874-3569 assistant branch head email@example.com 901-874-3865 administrative officer firstname.lastname@example.org 901-874-3622 seabee (e8-e9) email@example.com 901-874-3571 seabee (e7) firstname.lastname@example.org 901-874-3559 I'd say if getting your degree is a priority, and you're not trying to get out after 6 years, AIRC is a good contract to sign. This is by far the most physically demanding rating in the navy, behind SO (SEAL and SWCC). We're not fighter pilots. Run. I just (9JAN17) learned that EWOP is indeed being rolled into AWO. For anything Navy related, not limited to US Navy. The big one: it's fucking hard. All are uniquely qualified to help you along the way. Can we get this on the sidebar? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I've heard your days are subject to the flight schedule but relatively stable. You'll learn how to jump out of a helicopter and save someone who is drowning in heavy ass seas. We do various jobs from operating mission-related equipment, in-flight maintenance, assisting pilots as a flight engineer on older aircraft, or jumping out of helicopters to save drowning people in the middle of the ocean. Fs learn the electrical systems, hydraulic systems, radio & radar, landing gear systems, jet fuel types and characteristics... All the info from A School is built on when AWFs get to FRS. Effective 28 Oct 2016, Senior Chief Petty Officers no longer compress to AWCM. This isn't super uncommon for anyone in the navy of any rating, but I know tons of guys who go their whole career without seeing the open end of a weapon. There is no time limit on the run. Now, it is true that they spend a lot of time studying, but this is true for all aircrew members. Full-Time Support (FTS) 4. FRS: (All 5) Next is the Fleet Replacement Squadron, where you finally learn how to operate your gear on your airplane and general aircrewmanship. Checking in for the AWF side of the house. AWF: AWFs are typically flight engineers, but the P-3 is going away, so this rating is being massively downsized. That's pretty cool. AWO A school is about 4 months long if I remember right. Officer and Command Career Counselor, and to make use of your Navy College Virtual Education Center (VEC) or OCONUS Education Office's vast resources. Notes: AWO - Naval Aircrewmen - Operator - E5 Page 3 of 43 This Wikipedia page contains a list of United States Navy ratings. Selected Reserve (SELRES) 2. If you want to get out after your initial 6 year enlistment, get your degree while you're active or pick a different job. Cool place, awesome people. RSS: (AIRR contract) Rescue Swimmer School. There is a greater knowledge requirement for AWVs and AWFs. Billets advertised on MNA are loaded as needs of the Navy assignments via the cognizant Manning Control Authority (MCA). If you were to switch over to AWO, P-8s are the way because all the P-3 squadrons are leaving Jacksonville to soon transition to P-8's. It's all about having the balls to force your body to do more than it wants to do, and not so much about actual physical ability. Good luck! After Aircrew school you go to A school, which is also in Pensacola. They will jump in that fight you should of not been in to defend you even though you started it. Thanks for the response. AWR, AWS, AWO, AWF, AWV which fall under the general rating AW. I am in a rate that is seriously overmanned, and I … All are uniquely qualified to help you along the way. What's the actual hands-on work like for an AWO? You'll be doing real-world missions tracking actual bad guy submarines, or reconnaissance of real world targets, or flying over actual combat zones to help keep our guys on the ground safe and informed. Travel: I've been to like 16 different countries, most of them pretty cool. You've got to naturally have a knack for this, you've got to work damned hard, and you've got to be in good shape. They're not on the same day. These needs are met by filling a valid billet requirement with the best Sailor available. You need to be really smart and in decent to good shape to be a dry crewman. If you are interested in this job, you better be a REALLY FUCKING STRONG swimmer and have mental fortitude through the roof. Would you rather fight 100 duck-sized horses, or 1 horse-sized duck? Wash, Rinse, Repeat forever. If you quit, I will drop (like drop from school, not punch you lol) your ass. AWF, AWV, and AWO all go to the same FRS, VP-30 in Jacksonville, FL. Im not kidding you, there is always a PQS after the next and another Instructor Qual you can receive. I'd say if getting your degree is a priority, and you're not trying to get out after 6 years, AIRC is a good contract to sign. This is a great post. Officer and Command Career Counselor, and to make use of your Navy College Virtual Education Center (VEC) or OCONUS Education Office's vast resources. A board is 3-10 instructors pounding you with questions for many hours. OPNAVINST 5215.17. Navy A School does not have as many restrictions as boot camp, but does not have as many freedoms as a sailor will once they complete training. Individuals will attend Navy A School after they have completed boot camp. I will argue that an AW shop is closer than any wardroom or mess I have been apart of. I'm the latter group. I'm clearly biased here, so take it with a grain of salt. SECNAV M-5216.5. AWV is being downsized as well because of the departure of the P-3, but not as drastically as AWF because EWOP needs a lot more people than load master or flight attendant. AWF A School: (AWF) /u/CodeMonkieKash had a much better response than I could here. This video I dive in to the Navy jobs that travel the most. Oh, and that schedule doesn't come out until like 1600 the day prior, so ever having something planned is fuckin impossible sometimes. How much control do you have over whether you end up an AWR, AWV, AWO, etc? I'm not worried about RTC, but NACCS is worrying me slightly. Anyone with questions regarding AIRR program hit me up - 6 year rescue swimmer. It's hard as fuck. This is the first mentally challenging school. Similarly, what's the process for picking the aircraft platform you're assigned to? FTS AWFs are typically load masters on C-130s and C-40s, but can end up a few other places. Aircrew Navy Occupational Specialty (NOS) Codes.Men and Women enlisted in the Aircrew program will be assigned to one of the following occupational specialties within the Naval Aircrewman (NOS A500; FTS NOS J150) general rating (active duty and Full Time Support (FTS)): Aircrewman Helicopter (NOS A510), Aircrewman Operator (NOS A520), Aircrewman Mechanical (NOS … Dry aircrew only: You won't ever ever be on a boat. It keeps changing), so it will honestly be pretty damned hard to get this job if you have not yet signed a contract. NACCS: (All 5 aircrew ratings) First is Naval AirCrew Candidate School in Pensacola, where you learn basic water survival and we weed out the fat bodies who can't cut it physically. This is another rating that's going to be damned hard to get if you have not signed a contract yet. If getting your degree is a priority and you want out after 6, AIRC is an awful decision. AWO: I saved best for last. I had a chance to visit VP-69 and meet the CMC at NAS Whidbey. We're given shitloads of responsibility and trusted to make calls that affect people's lives. Navy Jobs List: A List Of All 93 Ratings In The Navy (2021) Posted on Last Updated: December 24, 2020 December 24, 2020 Author Nicholas A. The toughest part mentally is learning CPR. If you every played a sport at a decently competitive level, this 4 weeks will be a cake walk. AWS was invented after I went through A-school and I have never met one. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It's also the best goddamn job in the United States Navy. Here you're expected to do your job solely in a training environment with an instructor holding your hand. This is a volunteer rate. Upgraders are usually called nuggets. Call MyNavy Career Center: 833-330-MNCC, or 901-874-MNCC (DSN 882-6622), Email MNCC, MNCC Chat Comments or Suggestions about this Website? Possesses expertise in recruiting techniques and knowledge of recruiting textbooks and Navy enlistment programs and policies. You're considered a Level 100 Operator upon graduation and this is where you're promoted to E4. Most of this job does not apply worth a shit to the outside world. 0$1$*($1$9<&$5((5:,7+1$9$'5 6hhwkh1dy\/d'5 /hduqlqjdqg'hyhorsphqw5rdgpds iruwklvudwlqj $:2 kwwsv zzz frro qdy\ plo xvq /d'5 dzrbh bh sgi There's VERY high-paying but shitty job opportunities after you get out if you're very good at this job. In my opinion AWV will be removed in the next 5 years and EWOP will be rolled into AWO. Deployments are awesome. SERE: (All 5 aircrew ratings) This is basically POW camp, but obviously not as bad because it's training and you're not a real POW. Be shit hot or you can go be mediocre somewhere else. I just have a couple comments in addition to the already excellent response provided by ADHD365. That's by FAR the most common thing people fail on. However, under the CNO-directed "Helicopter Master Plan", all 78XX and 94XX aircrewmen were re-designated as "aviation warfare systems operators". But don't want to beat the dead horse. Nearly all FEs I've met started as an LM. Being a good EWO is very comparable to simultaneously playing an RTS game while also doing some math homework. But yet, the Navy counts my time with as sea duty (because of going on 6 month deployements). Keep in mind, however, that I'm not actually in the plane flying with these guys most of the time, so my perspective is limited to what I see on the ground. VP (fixed wing patrol) squadrons deploy to the desert where there is decent internet sometimes, or to a hotel somewhere where there is certainly decent internet. You certainly will be in the line of fire in the MPRA community, but for us it's particularly unpleasant because we won't be returning fire. Effective 28 Oct 2016, Senior Chief Petty Officers no longer compress to AWCM. There you'll learn the basics of how sound works underwater and how we use it to our advantage. Also there is this thing called perdiem.. /thread. Communicates and relates effectively with prospects, groups and the community. It honestly sounds awful to me. Navy A School is the first stage of technical training for your specific rating. It still sucks though. AWS A School: If you're a dry crewman or swimmer, doesn't matter. NACCS is the most common place to have a long hold because it's the first school. I'm used to it now, but it's pretty much universally hated. Navy A School … Wednesday you'll have a 0500-1000 simulator and Thursday you'll have a 1730-2330 simulator. Two instances in a 7 year career isn't much compared to the guys on the ground, but still not enjoyable. Fly airplanes that hunt submarines. 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